From news.com.au

http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/online-dating-agency-created-fake-profiles-20091106-i1fx.html

Online dating agency ‘created fake profiles’HELEN WESTERMAN
November 6, 2009 - 1:32PM

An online dating agency created fake profiles and used them to “flirt” with registered users, Australia’s consumer watchdog has revealed.

Redhotpie.com.au, which describes itself as a dating site for “singles and swingers”, has been accused of misleading conduct by The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, for creating and publishing fictional profiles on its website.

The profiles were used to send “flirt” messages to registered users. The site claims to have more than 1.6 million members and features dating advice from author Bessie Bardot.

But the ACCC said the operators of redhotpie,Mark Semaan and Maxwell James McGuire, falsely represented that members could socialise with - and potentially meet - every Profile that was viewable on the site, “when It was not the case”.

It does not reveal how many profiles may be fake.

A directions hearing has been set for December 10 in Perth’s Federal Court.

Source: theage.com.au

Can anyone see a Class Action by members who have been sucked into paying to contact these ‘phantoms’ if the court action is a success ? And when we went public here with our info, RHP management deleted our profile to hide the evidence perhaps ?

Can;t say this a surprise.

Chantelle Austin, a voracious Swinging Blogger (and and Aussie), has written a great E-Book for Newbies and oldies alike, called:-

“The ultimate Swingers guide”

Presently, It is only available for download, as she is in talks with publishers about ways of getting it into print.

Considering Chantelle and ‘Mr Fabulous’ (her hubby) have only been in the scene for a relatively short 18 months, I was suprised by the volume of content and the ’swinging maturity’ that the content showed.

The details and contents page can be found at http://www.ultimateswingersguide.com/

I could not pick fault with anything I read. My only comment to Chantelle was that their limited experience with clubs all around Australia probably leaves that chapter short on information that couples might find useful.

I thoroughly reccomend this book for all newbies and experienced couples alike. It had us asking ourselves a couple of important questions on how we perceive others, and our path down this road.

It comes with a great warning.. ” Your belief, values, thoughts on relationships, sex and marriage may be turned upside down by reading the book” and I totally agree.

A great read !

GET IT

Cheers

W & L

We watched a show by British ‘BBC journalist’ Louis Theroux, on at The ungodly time of 11pm on Channel 7 last night.

It covered his trip to a Swingers House party in Southern California. He spent a day with the hosts before the party as they prepared, then placed an ad for a single girl to accompany him to their ‘couples party’ the following night.

He was obviously, in a dry way, having a go at a few people at the party, and the hosts in a couple of segments. What suprised me was the way the guests handled themselves in front of the camera, and the answers they gave to the candid questions. Most were pretty much spot on with how we’d approach a party, and the people at the party were generally middle class.

If You can ‘find’ the episode on the torrents, its worth a look and has a low ‘cringe’ value.

Cheers

Festie.

This is The before post !

Hopefully, as the photographer of the event, I’ll have some piccies that I can use on the wrapup for You all.

It is with great pleasure that L and I are attending the marriage celebrations of M & C or cplinblk here on the forum. They are getting hitched, this afternoon at around 5.30pm at Utopia Swingers Club. They met on AMM through the chatroom there, and we were lucky enough to then meet them at Utopia 1 (Mermaid) a couple of years ago. We have spent some fantastic time with these guys, and along with Jeff and Renee, we all spent 3-4 days together at Xmas last year just hanging around, eating and drinking and carrying on like little Kids. It is remembered with great fondness as some of the best times we’ve had with Swinging mates.

It is fitting that they are tying the knot at the club, as they spend every 2nd weekend there, and all of their close freinds in the scene are regulars. Its great that Renee and Jeff have opened the club for them. I am sure the party will be carrying on into the evening, as the clubs having an ‘Open Night’ from 8.30pm onwards so that people who couldnt be at the ceremony, can get a chance to party with the bride and groom. With over 100 coming to the ceremony, its looking like a late one ! So don’t be afraid, everyones invited !

The theme is ‘Black and Purple’…. should be a hoot !

I’ll TRY and get some images for you all.

I am sure there are people out there who will think the whole idea of getting married at a club is a bit ‘tacky’……… well No one does tacky better than us QLD’rs

AND… this will be the ‘FIRST WEDDING AT A SWINGERS CLUB IN AUSTRALIA’…. WOOT WOOT !

Another first for QLD again Lol

From News.com.au today 12th November 2008.

A NUDIST resort wants to bring back swingers and sex parties in a bid to boost sagging tourism figures, The Courier-Mail reports.

The White Cockatoo resort in Mossman, near Port Douglas, north Queensland, is promoting an adults-only “anything goes” month of hedonism for March next year.

Owner of the White Cockatoo Tony Fox yesterday said It was time to lift a self-imposed swinger ban.

“Tough economic times call for stiff measures,” Mr Fox said

“We’ve taken the bull by the horns and it’s going nuts; we’re close to Fully booked.

“It will be a hedonism resort, where anything goes for a month. We’re not using the words sex or swingers, but it doesn’t take rocket science to work out what it means.”

Three years ago the controversial resort, once billed as the nation’s top group-sex hotspot for swingers, hit the headlines when it closed its doors to partner-swapping.

The ban followed a series of out-of-control sex parties and orgies where, in one case, police were called to evict six swingers after a free-for-all sex romp in a chalet.

In another, a naked husband-and-wife in their mid-50s upset others with a rowdy display of balcony sex before breakfast.

Other guests complained of being propositioned for group sex by a stranger in her 30s.

Mr Fox said he had since imposed a strict set of rules for the ordinary nudist season.

Cairns Catholic Bishop James Foley warned: “It might only end up cheapening the whole resort operation for a short term gain.

“Anyone who goes to a hedonist’s party goes at their own risk.

“You’ve got to wonder what sort of people go and why. Where is the moral code of behaviour and how do you stop jealousies and fights?”

But Cairns Regional Mayor Val Schier said she was not opposed to the “month of hedonism”.

“People in tropical north Queensland are extraordinarily creative,” Ms Schier said.

“And if they can create a business opportunity that does not offend any neighbours or harm anybody that is fine.

“It is tough economic times and as long as it is with consenting adults, then there is No problem.”

And local tourism chief Doug Ryan said: “As long as whatever they do stays within the law then good on them.”

From The Age

One in five Britons find monogamy undesirable and nearly a third think It is unnatural, according to a sex survey out Sunday.

The ICM poll, in a 70-page supplement in The Observer newspaper, found that women were more likely to view monogamy as natural and desirable, while young Britons were “significantly more promiscuous than previous generations”.

The survey found that 18 per cent had been unfaithful to their current partner, with 56 per cent of those having been unfaithful with a Friend of their partner, or someone known to their partner.

Some 49 per cent said they had had a one-night stand and 21 per cent had slept with someone whose name they did not know.

“Women are more likely to take the trouble to ask someone’s name before sleeping with them,” the poll found.

On average, respondents had lost their virginity between the ages of 16 and 17 and had had nine sexual partners, with 20 per cent of the population having had more than 10.

Now we all Swing - to have a good time (well that’s The idea anyway) but when is a good time too good.

If You have the most amazing experience with someone else . .

What do you say….

1. Do you tell your partner exactly everything - passing on any helpful hints.
2. Do you just say - It was OK
3. Do you say - FUCK THAT WAS AMAZING - Invite em over for dinner Next Saturday.

I know . . if my partner had the most amazing time - i’d feel a touch fragile - but then would want to know the details - what - how - and would work to have that technique in my repertoire. If I had the most amazing time . . . i’d say it was great . . and then tell them what they did that was so good.

How do you stand up in the face of another person giving your partner an AMAZING time.

Halloween night, “L” and I headed off to a friends party for Halloween. When we arrived, we found out that Renee was going to be without Jeff to run Utopia, as he was sick. So we stayed at The party for a couple of hours and headed down to the Club to see if we could help out at all.

Renee’s phone had been ringing a lot during the week, so she was expecting a good crowd for a Friday. When we got there, we were happy to see that her prediction was correct, and on top of the crowd size, was the good smattering of ‘Newbies’.

As we walked in, we could see Renee chatting to a couple who looked vaguely familiar, so we wandered over and introduced ourselves. As It turned out, Renee had recognised them from Sensual Ball on the June Long Weekend, and they also explained that they had bought a ticket to Swingfest Lite, but at the last minute, had to cancel due to childminding issues.

When we got chatting further with them, we all realised that we had actually chatted 8 years ago, online on MSN with the webcam, after an introduction through AdultMatchMaker ! We were Sydney based then, and more or less relied on the Net to try and find couples to meet and Play with. We had all actually planned to catch up and go to Couples Club in Sydney together, but a serious family drama saw them bail from the scene for SEVEN YEARS !!!! The two things that clued them in to who we were was “L”’s unusual name (that the lady remembered) and apparently her ‘Massive Tits’ that had stared down at them on webcam.

Its such a small world ! We all ended up having an awesome time, and after all these years, it was great to meet some more Swingers who have the same ideals and rationale as us. It’s nights and opportunities like that, that make it all worthwhile.

Just wanted to share

What is It that really attracts You to members of The opposite sex. Is it boobs, six pack, butt, hips, eyes? Or is it something less obvious.

Today we were sitting having Coffee as you do on a Sunday, and I made a passing comment on a woman I found attractive. I couldn’t quite pinpoint what made her attractive.

She wasn’t particularly good looking in all of the overt Playboy bunny ways. But she was cute in the sense of interesting.

Paula said “It’s obvious - she has a large forehead. You go for anyone with a fringe (hidden forehead) or a large forehead”. I took a second look and Paula was Right. The only thing that distinguished this girl was her large forehead.

Is there anything you or your partner has observed like that?

Or do you know something like that about your partner that perhaps they don’t know?

Pleased about this one …

So . . It feels really good . . oh yes . . just like that . . don’t stop . . i am about to . . .

WHAT NOW:

Orgasm Etiquette:

Should You give clear indication you are going to orgasm?
Should you squeal and scream?
Should you refrain from Noise?
Should you Chihuaha? . . (Uncle Festie will get it)

Should you Cum first?
Should you spray like a Porn star?
Should you cum in mouth?

Go for it people . . . and stay tuned for After Orgasm Etiquette -

like is wiping on The curtain ok?
If you wipe on venetians is that showing off?

Funniest Swinging Story:

I’ll start, with one . . . (hope he doesn’t read this)

There was 6 of us Playing this “icebreaking” game . . . we had gone away for The weekend and this was night one. We needed an Icebreaker.

So we were suitably intoxicated and excited.

The game was like a truth or dare scenario - and the question/dare came around to this gentlemen.

His Dare: To show us how he orgasms.

So expecting a when Harry Meets Sally Routine (just more Masculine) he started by getting his face all screwed up - when beyond his control . . . he let slip a loud fart. (yep not classy - i think It’s just our age kinda thing).

Well we were in stitches . . . cause effectively . . . he has just told the crowd what his impression of an orgasm was . . . (wonders if that would be ok if You are bi friendly)

And the rest of the night . . . yep you got it . . . DISASTER

hehehehe

P.S. There was that one time at band camp with a Trombone

Ahhh love those memories

I have been in The Lifestyle - or the periphery - for around 6 years.

My key issue is always “appropriate” behaviour. People will even refer to me as Mr Appropriate - though It’s only ever linked to Swinging (otherwise Mr Swingfest would always say i am Mr Inappropriate with my opinions and comments)

So what do people consider as appropriate behaviour?
It’s obviously very different for everyone. This is my list of situations we have observed.
I thought this would be a great subject for discussion and opinion.

FIRST MEET/S (how people interact at beginning)

1. ALPHA MALE
I am not sure if it’s through nerves, or it’s establishing pack dominance - but the Alpha Male Display is an area we would consider inappropriate. You know - first meet - the CV comes out and they tell you how good they are at Sport, Sex, Drinking etc. Most often the guy is really nice, but this first contact puts the woman off.

2. INSENSITIVE MALE (their partner)
You have just met a couple, and the guy is immediately attracted to your partner. The guy starts engaging and flirting, without being aware whether their partner is comfortable or happy for this to occur. You feel it’s a single male flirting with a female. They typically have No consideration for their wife/partner in this situation.

3. INSENSITIVE MALE (towards other guy)
This guy keeps putting the word on your wife/partner. Flirting, touching etc, and has not even bothered to introduce themselves to the Husband/Partner. We see this occur quite frequently at parties/clubs.

4. HUNTER MALE
This guy targets the “fresh meat” that enters a club or party. Hey we all like to meet new people, but the Hunter is the one that quickly focuses on the new people - without any idea of their level of experience, how they Play, whether they want to play at all. Many a time you will see the Newbies at a club - with this look of terror on their faces as they are engaged by the “HUNTER”.

5. PUSHY BiFEMALE
It’s funny to say, but in our experiences women have been far pushier than men. Typically men will flirt etc - but will wait for permission before touching. The pushy BiFemale doesn’t wait for permission. They have this belief because they are 1. Woman and 2. Bi that another woman will instantly respond to their advances. They also believe no man would ever have an issue with it.
I know i have an issue with anyone touching my wife, where she has not engaged that person at all.
The Pushy BiFemales typically assume everyone would be happy with their advances - but it simply isn’t the case.

6. IT’S ABOUT ME FEMALE
Now while i embrace females exploring their sexuality, it’s not just about them. Sure they can multiple orgasm, squirt, have sensational bi experiences, and be the desire of every man at the club/party - it’s all goes a bit flat, when they make no effort to please the man other than being available. Now i know that a lot of men, are more than happy for the women to “be available” but i find this whole process unexciting. Just like the women want to feel desired - many men want the efforts and desire directed their way too.(”It’s about me females” will also then complain about men not reaching orgasm/staying erect - yet you can safely say they have had 3 or more?????)

7. THE NO ERECTION FEMALE
Now i understand guys, that issues can arise, especially around alcohol, and nerves. BUT we have heard about many men/couples being discarded because the man could not obtain an erection. Now i won’t argue with the fact a man didn’t achieve erection. But the man/couple are typically discarded saying “duds”. Now there are 2 sides to this story and if they are true issues - well Mr Viagra etc can assist with that. The other side is - the guy is labelled a dud - yet - why can’t it be the women who simply didn’t engage him well enough to get him excited? Sometimes the issue is that the other couple have just been engaging his wife - and then he is thrown into an environment - expected to perform on call - and then labelled a dud.

8. THE EXTRA FEMALE HUNTERS
This is the couple that engage the female partners of a couple without any consideration for the male. Sure I like the idea of an extra female in the bedroom, as does most couples - but you cannot isolate the female half of a couple, without some acknowledgement that the husband exists. It’s very funny getting messages from so many couples - where they say - we only want to play with your wife . . . (The Women is Very Happy with Her Man) etc.

9. PLEASURE FOR MALE - NO PLEASURE FOR FEMALE COUPLE
These are the couples that the guy is happy to be pleased and to provide pleasure to another woman etc . . but his wife/partner is definitely not allowed to have a good time - or be too excited with the other man. We are all human beings that want to be considered special, especially to our partners, but the idea of swinging is to have fun and to enjoy yourself. I understand the issues associated with a male feeling less if his wife orgasms with another man etc . . but it’s really a double standard.

Well thats covered quite a few “scenarios” and i guess we all are thinking a bit, ooohhh do i fit into that one or the other.

Would love to see people’s opinions and maybe a few more scenario’s added.

Very interesting !

We’ve been pointed to a Fully inclusive COUPLES SWINGERS CRUISE out of Florida next year. Its a whole boat load of lifestylers… 2100 people. No Muggles !

http://www.sensualevents.com/bookings/yolocruises/

And for ideas on prices (which I reckon are not too bad) and what You get..

http://www.sensualevents.com/bookings/yolocruises/details.html

I know a couple of Kiwis going on It, and they are also going to Desire Cancun straight after. That will be there 4th trip to Desire. So it sure gets a good rap !

Anyone else interested in The cruise ?

Cheers W & L

1: Under No circumstances may two men share an umbrella.
2: It is OK for a man to cry ONLY under The following circumstances:
(a) When a heroic dog dies to save its master.
(b) The moment Angelina Jolie starts unbuttoning her Blouse.
(c) After wrecking your boss’s car.
3: Any man who brings a camera to a Stag night may be legally killed and eaten by his friends.
4: If you’ve known a guy for more than 24 hours, his sister is off limits forever unless You actually marry her.
5: Moaning about the brand of free beer in a mate’s fridge is forbidden. However complain at will if the temperature is unsuitable.
6: No man shall ever be required to buy a birthday present for another man. In fact, even remembering your mate’s birthday is strictly optional. At that point, you must celebrate at a strip bar of the birthday boy’s choice.
7: In the mini-bus, the strongest bladder determines pit stops, not the weakest.
8: When stumbling upon other blokes Watching a sporting event, you may ask the score of the game in progress, but you may NEVER ask who’s Playing.
9: It is permissible to drink a fruity alcohol drink only when you’re sunning on a tropical beach … and it’s delivered by a topless model and only when it’s free.
10: Only in situations of moral and/or physical peril are you allowed to kick another guy in the nuts.
11: Unless you’re in prison, never fight naked.
12: Friends don’t let friends wear Speedos. Ever. Issue closed.
13: If a man’s fly is down, that’s his problem, you didn’t see anything.
14: Women who claim they ‘love to watch sports’ must be treated as spies until they demonstrate Knowledge of the game and the ability to drink as much as the other sports watchers.
15: A man in the company of a hot, suggestively dressed woman must remain sober enough to fight.
16: Never hesitate to reach for the last beer or the last slice of pizza, but not both, that’s just greedy.
17: If you compliment a guy on his six-pack, you’d better be talking about his choice of beer.
18: Never join your girlfriend or wife in discussing a Friend of yours, except if she’s withholding sex pending your response.

What are people’s opinions about this

I read Paula’s shout about people sharing and felt I just had to say something. She’s Right - when people communicate we all benefit.

Something we’ve found over The years, is the more we talk the more fun we have.

Have You ever been chatting with your S.O. only to discover that something you both thought was taboo (say for example: having sex with other people) was not taboo at all?

Our latest trick is to talk about hypotheticals, both together and with our fuck buddies (apologies to them if they happen to stumble on this - you know It’s more than that). They are always hypothetical so that No one feels pressured into anything. We’re careful to include a few out of Left field so that nothing is interpreted as a suggestion. More just a fun conversation topic.

The more we talk, the more we learn.

***

So bringing the discussion on here … how do you feel about this hypothetical?

How do you feel about waking up next to one of your Friends with benefits in lieu of your S.O. I’ll let a few people comment before I say anything so as not to spoil the fun.

How tough are Australians ?

The scene is set

- a dark night, cold wind blowing, campfire flickering,

stars twinkling in the dark sky.
Three hang-glider pilots are sitting by the campfire,

one from Australia, one from Seth Efrika and one from New Zulland.

Each embroiled in the bravado for which they are famous.

The night of tales begins…

Kiven the Kiwi says, ‘I must be the meanest, toughest, heng glider there es. Why, jist the other day I linded in a field and scared a crocodeale, who came out of the swamp and ate sux min who were standen close by. I grebbed the crocodeale and wristled him to du ground and killed em with my beer hends’.

Hansie from Seth Efrika who typically can’t stand to be bettered said, ‘Well You guys, I lended orfter a 200 mile flight in my heng glider on a tiny trail, and a Namibian snike slid out from under a rock and made a move on me. I grebbed de borsted with me bare hinds and beet It’s head off ind then sucked the poison from it’s body down in one gulp. End I’m still here today’

Colin the Australian remained silent, slowly poking the fire with his penis.

:)

The 1st kind of sex is called: Smurf Sex….. This kind of sex happens
when You first meet someone and you both have sex until you are blue
in the face.

The 2nd kind of sex is called: Kitchen Sex….. This is when you have
been with your partner for a short time and you are so horny you will
have sex anywhere, even in the kitchen.

The 3rd kind of sex is called: Bedroom Sex….. This is when you have
been with your partner for a long time. Your sex has gotten routine
and you usually have sex only in your bedroom.

The 4th kind of sex is called: Hallway Sex….. This is when you have
been with your partner for too long. When you pass each other in the
hallway you both say “SCREW YOU!”

The 5th kind of sex is called: Religious Sex….. You get Nun in the
morning, Nun in the Afternoon and Nun at night.

The 6th kind of sex is called: Courtroom Sex….. This is when you
cannot stand your wife any more. She takes you to court and screws you
in front of everyone.

And last, but not least,

The 7th kind of sex is called: DOLE Sex … You get a little each month. But not enough to live on.