It probably goes without saying that No-one knows what You want and how to give it to you better than you primary partner. After all, for most of us they have had years of regular practice.

It's our argument that perhaps all this messing around with other people is nothing more than a bit of meaningless sport - a bit of fun. What do you think?

So then follow this reasoning. If no one does it better than #1 then why do you go out looking for #'s 2 to 200? Only a bold person would admit that #58 was better than #1. If that were The case, then probably going back to #58 might be a big mistake.

Most of us seem say that we are no looking for something we haven't got at Home. So what then are we looking for?

And supposing we did actually have some meaningless fun with someone who was better than #1 - what would you do then. It would take some courage to mention it to #1. We've agreed that if that ever happened we wouldn't discuss it in any detail - we simply wouldn't go back there.

We've heard the suggestion that perhaps #58 does some things better than #1. Fair cop. Not everyone is good at everything. So do you then take that experience home and try to subtly teach #1 the new technique? Or do you risk offending #1 by letting him/her know they aren't the best at everything?

The flip side is that if #23 doesn't do something that #1 does very well, is it Right to try to teach #23 your wife/husband/partner's special technique - or is that something Private between the two of you?

We imagine this issue has Come up many times. There are probably as many solutions as there are couples. What's yours? 

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Ms Pet - LJ Hooker You're the Best....   | 124.171.129.xxx | 2008-05-06 21:46:56 I would only feel comfortable bringing up such issues with #1. I think it mmaaayyy be overstepping the mark to tell playmates what they're doing wrong... that said, if it were something truly awful, some delicate suggestion may be called for - though that could mean the end of me and them. Fair enough! If #58 had crazy technique though, I'd definitely tell #1! I don't know whether it'd be fair or true to say that anyone was better than #1 for me because there IS the whole novelty factor of being with new people and that honeymoon infatuation. Tends to skew things in favour of the new playmate I think. Lord knows when I first got together with #1, I could practically orgasm just by thinking about him. So, acknowledging that, I'd reassure #1 that it wasn't a matter of bad and good but the discovery of something and new and good to try. And then I'd gently prod him to try it. IF I had a real connection with #58 and the sex was amazing, then yes - decision time. Chances are if that continued, #1 and I may break up I'd make the decision to stop seeing #58... (unless I came to the awful realisation that we were a better fit than #1, in which case I may have to choose the other way. In the end though, it'd be my choice and I doubt I could ever betray #1. By the same token, to stay with #1 and long for #58 would be a betrayal too - a worse one maybe.) As to why we seek out more than #1 - we're animals? We like to connect in sexual ways with those we like? It's not looking for something better, just loving the experience of different people? Variety is the spice of life as they say and what would a dish be without spice?! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-06 21:54:46 Quote: in which case I may have to choose the other way. There is that. I have to admit that for me if that choice was ever a possibility I would be out of the whole scene in a flash. Quote: new people and that honeymoon infatuation I think (for me) infatuation is the wrong word but I do think that this business fires off hormones that don't normally last longer than 6 or 7 weeks. I have to be careful what I say here. A relationship that is only based on the hormones is destined to fail. For a lasting relationship there are a million other strengthening factors (to state the obvious). Quote: we're animals (fundamentally) a view I subscribe to but don't seem to share with many other people. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Ms Pet - indeed! :)   | 124.171.129.xxx | 2008-05-06 22:17:32 luke wrote: There is that. I have to admit that for me if that choice was ever a possibility I would be out of the whole scene in a flash Yep. Before we started, we had a serious discussion about this issue and on the perceived strength of our relationship, we decided it was worth the risk because the risk was so small. If it DID happen, considering that the risk IS so miniscule, then maybe it's for the best we split (and I know everyone will think it scandalous that I say that). Lol - Luke, not infatuation? Lust? Either or! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-06 22:23:23 I prefer to use the word chemicals. Everything else has far too many connotations. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69     | Registered | 2008-05-06 23:35:22 I really do agree with that catch phrase, and I also work for LJHookers lol! Seriously though, no one has ever done anything better to me than my partner in any of the Playing I have experienced to date, and I think it is highly unlikely to ever change. Yes, this is sport sex. There is normally very little appropriate foreplay...by that I mean, the foreplay that only my partner knows will get me going, and my experience also tells me that people do not like to be told how to fuck! That said, my partner has on the odd occasion tried to school someone on my erogonous zones, with little or no effect whatsoever. I have also asked people what they would like us to do to them, but communication whilst fucking is not a popular thing. Something about saying " could you lick my right nipple gently" that just doesn't seem to sit well when all that one is generally hearing is moaning and groaning hehehhe! Anyway, there is no "mind fuck" in the scene with me at least, and that is what brings me back to the "nobobdy does it better". With your partner it is a mind fuck....with your Play mates it is sport sex! That is my opinion and to date, I am sticking to it! If anyone has any other ideas on the matter I would be keen to hear them. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-06 23:56:29 No mind fuck - wow! The whole Lifestyle thing is a big mind fuck for me. I just do it a bit like going to the gym - to see what I can do. TO see if I can play a better game than last week. At home there is no need for mind games - Just thinking about the main course makes the entree taste good. Quote: my experience also tells me that people do not like to be told how to fuck! That said, my partner has on the odd occasion tried to school someone on my erogonous zones, with little or no effect whatsoever. Thanks for the idea for tomorrow's article! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Swingfest   | Author | 2008-05-06 23:47:25 [i]Nobody does it better Makes me feel sad for the rest Nobody does it half as good as you Baby, you're the best[/i] We have a lot of fun with other couples, and the flirt and play are all part of it. Playing with friends, is always better than with casuals, there is no question. But as I am the "one night stand that NEVER Left" I stay not only for the love of a good woman, but for the best sex I have ever had. NOW.. the rest of you, you do come close at times, but... but.... its just not that intimate. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-07 00:18:38 Quote: its just not that intimate Intimacy for more reading see: http://couples.net.au/main/index.php/News/Mars-and-Venus/Sex-as-a-Cure-for-Depression.html http://couples.net.au/main/index.php/News/Lifestyle/The-Intimacy-Question.html Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | 121.208.68.xxx | 2008-05-07 02:14:41 Yes, the whole scene is a mind fuck in one way I agree with you Luke....the feeling sexy and admired by someone of the opposite sex other than your partner....a huge turn on and ego boost! But I guess what I am talking about is the intimacy as Swingfest said. There is really no intimacy in play sex and nor should there be....I reserve that for my partner....this is where the sex is a little at odds with everything we have learned from our society....hard for lots of women to get over that one...including this one at times!!!! Anyways, I guess you get what I am saying....looking forward to the next topic!!!!! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-07 02:18:50 Quote: a huge turn on and ego boost I think this is the key - it's not so much the doing it as the possibility/likelihood Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Hot4U   | Registered | 2008-05-07 06:05:32 I am just doing it for the Chicks!!! No one can do ME better than my man but I am Bisexual and lurve the Girly contact BUT then we are talking a different type of sex. In respect to a girly in a couples relationship I am sure that many of them are there for the same reason I am. Its an added bonus if you have great sex with the others partners or climax with other than your own I never take our lifestyle seriously its all for the fun, sexy, hot and steamy times we have not to see which one was better on the night Love Nick Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-07 16:47:08 That's an interesting angle on it Nic. It fulfils a need of yours but doesn't leave your man out in the cold. I wonder if anyone else feels the same? If there was no 'lifestyle' would you still seek out a bit of girly action e.g. by going to a lesbian venue? Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Epodec   | Editor | 2008-05-09 00:42:17 My theory is this. No one knows everything about sex. Both my wife and I have learned things from our lovers that we've brought home and improved our sex life with. Toes for example. Neither of us had any idea that toes were incredibly sensitive. I had a lover ask me to suck her toes, at first I was apprehensive but we'd just come from the shower so "what the Hell." I took it home to my wife and the next day we had holes in the wall at the head of the bead where she punched through the drywall. Will I say that toe sucking girl was BETTER than my wife? Hell No. Did she have a new idea that made our sex life hotter? Yes. Then there's our "Poly" situation where we are actually in love with another couple. I don't dare compare his wife to mine or vice versa. They are both special and we all make love, but comparison is completely unfair and just wrong to all parties involved. I would say we're all different and we like the variety. Does that mean when were with our poly couple that it's "meaningless sport." I certainly don't believe so, we're sharing things on a level none of us ever "expected" to be sharing on, and it's incredibly erotic. So where's that leave things, one nighters, I would call meaningless sport. Close friends, poly partners, not meaningless sport. Each individual encounter, an experience to be learned from. -j Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-09 16:53:24 I'm glad we got your take on this Epodec. I acknowledge that for some of us it's a lot more than meaningless sport. I hope I didn't offend you. Yours is a story I obviously hadn't considered. Can I ask a question? Feel free to say no - when you play to you play as a group now or as two separate couples? Or both? We'd like to hear some more of your story here as it is a side everyone has heard of but not everyone has a lot of experience. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Ms Pet   | 203.214.84.xxx | 2008-05-10 06:17:22 Ooh yes please, Epodec. Would love to hear more about your take on poly partners. Did you choose to go out there and create a poly relationship? Was it something you fell into? ... if I may be so bold as to ask. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Hot4U   | Registered | 2008-05-09 03:17:33 I would beg steal and borrow someones missus if there was no lifestyle. Then again parties, lesbians, parties, vaginas hell I am there!!!!. On a serious note though. I would probably go where I need to go. Being Bisexual isnt something that I woke up to one morning and said "Geez i wanna fondle womens breasts and suck on their nipples". Its something that i have been doing for a very very long time. Hubby or no hubby I would be doing exactly what I am doing now. Nick Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-09 06:54:09 Epodec, I would worry about the intimacy issue on the level you are at. Everyone is different....whatever floats your boat, but for me, Swinging is not about intimacy, it is about fun. Maybe things will change as I age....hmmmm....all good....cheers! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

newswingers   | Editor | 2008-05-09 09:53:49 Ok, probably in the minority here, but we love the intimacy stuff. Not worth doing otherwise. Anonymous, industrial meaningless sport fucking with others is something we have tried, but leaves us unsatisfied and feeling dirty in the morning. I love to flirt and enjoy the personalites of our playmates. Can't imagine ever playing with anyone that didn't have a wicked sense of humour! L xx Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-10 08:59:47 I dont believe there has to be any intimacy in "play" at all - in fact at the mere hint of it we run for the hills! Having said that... each to their own, and what one perceives as "intimacy" may not be what another couples perceives as the same... makes sense? Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Swingfest   | Author | 2008-05-09 16:32:04 Hi laura, Don't get me wrong here, but I think its impossible to get the same level of intimacy as you do with your primary partner..... case in point. CONDOMS. That simple latex barrier stops a level of intimacy you only get 'at home'. We frivoulosly use the term 'sport fucking' sometimes, but there is NO chance we'd Shag anyone we did'nt have any 'chemistry' with, and that flirtatious behaviour leads to a level of intimacy beyond just 'sport' The 'fun' part is important too. Very important ! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

newswingers   | Editor | 2008-05-10 12:04:05 Hmm, interesting. So what do we all mean by intimacy? (swingfest, I never suggested that the level of intimacy with playmates could anywhere near approach what I experience with my partner of 23 years - IMPOSSIBLE!) For me it is about connection on a number of levels, emotional, physical and intellectual ..... what do others think? Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-11 03:12:55 I do not want intimacy with play mates....I just think it isn't about that! We have that with our permanent partners. Intimacy with others would get way too confusing....it is just a bit of fun...and it makes your sex life with your partner hotter than ever. That is my goal with this whole thing! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-11 04:26:42 Intimacy is something we specifically try to avoid. We feel it over-steps too many boundaries. The few times I have (unilaterally) allowed intimacy, it has (rightly IMO) caused discomfort and angst - hence: INTIMACY BANNED. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Ms Pet   | 203.217.45.xxx | 2008-05-11 05:20:06 Hmm. Yes this does seem to come down to what 'intimacy' means to different people. Sounds like it varies wildly from couple to couple. For us, we hope that our playmates may also be good friends. By this I mean people who we can be ourselves with and relate to; people with whom we feel relaxed, can have fun with, and who understand sex to be a natural way to express affection for friends who are sexually attractive. To us this is 'swinger intimacy' and the way we like it. However, if any playmate were to attempt to create a poly relationship with us, or forge a more emotionally-charged relationship with one of us, to the exclusion of the other, THIS is the sort of 'intimacy' we did not sign up for and we would definitely see this as overstepping the boundaries. After all, as many people say - the swinging part is for fun and not to create new love. Obviously sometimes people can't help the way they feel but that's probably the time that one should take a respectful step back. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

raven62 - Oh dear, we've lost the plot   | Registered | 2008-05-11 05:38:48 Hey every body. Reality check. If you are romping naked with people you are experiencing intimacy according to most dictionary definitions which rely mainly on the physical side. So what I think we are coming up against here is a problem with the English language... many meanings for one word. I think that there are levels (korma, madras, vindaloo, jalopena) and types of intimacy (physical, emotional.. ). For me I don't want to play with anyone I don't feel attracted to somehow, with whom one can detect some mutual attraction, where there can be some sharing of joy. Yet, like pretty well everyone here, I absolutely avoid any level of intimacy that is moving towards endangering the extraordinary intimacy on so many levels of my primary relationship. R Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-11 06:35:07 I think by intimacy we don't mean physical intimacy - you can't get much more intimate than having a guys knob in your mouth. I think we mean the tenderness and gentleness - the afterplay maybe ... Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Laura   | 58.174.128.xxx | 2008-05-12 02:05:15 Like I said, I think we are in the minority - tenderness, gentleness and afterplay are things we can enjoy with the right couple. (BTW, for me, kissing can at times be far more intimate than having a guys knob in my mouth). As time has gone on, Bryan and I are realising that our security does not come from restricting what we do with others but from the amazing connection and commitment we have to each other. Of course this does not mean that we are insensitive to the boundaries of other couples and will always respect them. Although, it is possible for a couple's particular boundaries to make them incompatible with us. For instance we would probably not bother with Soft swap. Similarly if the couple has too many restrictions we find that the spontaneity and fun can go out of things and we might all be better off elsewhere Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke - re:   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-12 06:06:28 Laura wrote: tenderness, gentleness and afterplay are things we can enjoy with the right couple. Not being judgemental - just asking a question - if everything is on the menu what does a person save for their partner? Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Laura - re: re:   | 58.174.128.xxx | 2008-05-12 23:42:02 Luke wrote: L aura wrote: tenderness, gentleness and afterplay are things we can enjoy with the right couple. Not being judgemental - just asking a question - if everything is on the menu what does a person save for their partner? I can only speak for myself here and I would have to say, a shared life, family, total self exposure, lifetime commitment, understanding that comes from sharing the last 23 years, and a level of chemistry that I cannot imagine ever being matched by anyone else. Oh and love. I'm sure there's more but it's difficult to articulate. L Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-12 05:44:00 We constantly have that discussion...I agree with you Laura, I think kissing is far more intimate even than sex. That is my opinion and my partner thinks the opposite. Another good topic for discussion there. Which is more intimate....kissing or sex? Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-12 06:07:58 We thought that too at one time - but then changed the boundaries - this one may be re-evaluated. I think it's a good topic for discussion - remind me if I forget to post the intro. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Laura - Kissing vs Sex   | 58.174.128.xxx | 2008-05-12 23:47:19 Cumandplay, do you think it's a gender thing? Do women in general find kissing more intimate than sex and vice versa for men? I'm sure I've heard stories before about prostitutes that will do anything but kiss with their clients. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Swingfest   | Author | 2008-05-12 16:08:59 Only swingers would be debating whether kissing is more intimate than sexual contact !! LOL Take a step back and just have a think for a minute what a MUGGLE would make of that statement ? Come on Ladies and gents......... We are all very happy for 2 women to start pashing each other off on a dancefloor somewhere, but are worried about the same 2 women kissing each others hubby ? Its a kiss. Putting your penis in HAS to be more intimate by definition I would think ? There is MORE of it for a start LOL (well for some of us I guess). Gawd, I wonder what Muggles make of us sometimes if they ever visit here ? LOL Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-13 08:45:38 True but maybe definitions aren't so relevant. Maybe definitions go out the window where feelings are concerned. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-12 17:30:53 I find that in this scene, the sex is more just a physical act. Kissing on the other hand shows a real interest in the other person and you actually get your face closer to someone whilst kissing than is actually necessary in the sexual act. Maybe that is what I mean when I say I think the intimacy is stronger with a kiss. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-13 08:44:13 Talking about this with a male Friend he reminded me of the story often mentioned that professional sex workers will do a lot of things for money but never kiss - the kissing is reserved for the partner. Perhaps the thing is that kissing already has a whole lot of messages attached. For example we kiss out mum's Kids, and grandparents if we are lucky enough to still have any. Or perhaps we are just not a kissing culture. We have friends from OS where a kiss hello is expected if not demanded. It would be impolite to deny the particular kiss they expect. Different from the erotic sort of kissing that happens in the bedroom, sure, but nonetheless just as intimate. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-12 21:29:15 The kissing argument... It is a very personal thing to choose to do - The mouth is very sensitive and there is nothing worse than my mouth being abused by a wet cold dribbly slug! Sometimes I have kissed and thought afterwards - Oh shit that was BAD and other times Personally I do not care what anyone else thinks of our rules and boundaries, they are ours, they are there for a reason and the reasons are mine and Lukes. A couple that asks why we have rules and boundaries are not people who respect us and who we would not respect in return. I often read about those that "scoff" at others boundaries and quite frankly it makes me feel uncomfortable - we all started somewhere and mostly took baby steps to get where we are - I think whatever your boundaries are, they should be held as close as you need them to be and if you go through your life with them still in place - who cares? No one should. Kissing is (and always has been) a very imtimate thing for me to do - why? It's none of anyone's business, it is enough that thats how I feel. If I do not kiss that is my choice - I will say early on any rules we may have and that really should be enough. As for soft swap couples... hell yeah, bring it on - why say no to two people who care enough about each others feelings that they have boundaries/rules? I respect their rules and would always play by them - I also understand for a man it may be a little frustrating but as I said before we all start somewhere... Intimacy is many things to many people, what is right for one may be totally unacceptable for someone else and thats why we all need to be aware of rules and boundaries for all. Discussion is good but you do all have to understand I am RIGHT! *she steps off the soap box and awaits the hate mail * Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Laura   | 58.174.128.xxx | 2008-05-12 23:37:20 Nothing at all wrong with anyone's boundaries Paula, as I say we always respect them. I do think its good to get them out there up front too, and as you say reasons are not required. As for soft swap, all power to you if that's your thing, its just not ours and we are as entitled to our choices as anybody else. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

kitty   | Registered | 2008-05-13 01:01:27 kissing : the difference between muggles and those enjoying the lifestyle is puzzling. A muggle would say "it was only a kiss it didn't mean anything." but for those of us swinging a kiss far more intimate. Interesting hmmm , will have to give this more thought. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-13 03:56:28 So far seems, yes, women find kissing the more intimate act and men find sex the more intimate act. Very good poll topic Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

raven62 - Soft wot?   | Registered | 2008-05-13 04:26:29 Sorry to be ignorant. Wot is a soft swap? Is it when K gets a dud root whose Cock is soft? Oops, I meant erectile dysfunction. We have encountered this. Luke, we need a glossary. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

cumandplay69   | Registered | 2008-05-13 04:48:21 Soft swap is like swap for foreplay only. Has its benefits and can be very hot! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-13 08:49:19 That's the best description I have heard. Foreplay where someone other than your partner does it. I agree with 69 - it can be very erotic especially when it's followed by really great sex with your partner. The feeling is great knowing that you receive a gift from your friend. That of getting your partner so hot they are ready to explode when they come back to you. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

raven62 - Outercourse Tour de Force then   | 121.217.200.xxx | 2008-05-13 06:08:46 Ahhhhh! You mean outercourse with another and Intercourse with one's own. Now we understand. Where does whipped cream licked by 3 people off one person's back fit into this? Is there a special name for that to? Soft serve? Yummy Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

fipty801   | Registered | 2008-05-13 21:24:58 mmm...Haven't read through everyone's comments, but read the article and reminded us of a situation we found ourselves in... We met a couple through a dating site and ended up on the bed having a great time. Now, J and I like to screw then take a break by performing oral and then get back into the screwing. On this occasion, I pulled out of the other very attractive woman, ripped off the Condom and she proceeded to give me her interpretation of head. The problem was she was like a piston on my cock, up and down up and down at a hundred miles an hour, and only taking in the tip. I thought she was trying to 'finish me off' and I said to her, that I wasn't ready to come yet. She replied that she knew that and was just enjoying 'sucking' me. From that very instant, there was tension in the air, and they were effectively gone in the next twenty minutes. They have not spoken to us since. J and I discussed it later, and we both felt the tension after the incident, and they may have misinterpretted what I said as "You oral technique, ah, er, sucks!" We'd had an absolute Ball up until that minute. We've sent them emails apologising and explaining that we didn't mean to offend in any way. Nothing. Eventually we gave up. We still think that there is plenty of room to ask / tell play partners what you want, and we've found it's an excellent part of foreplay, particularly if you are an exhibitionist like J! Our theory is that we are exploring our fantasies, and there's no point in any of this 'lifestyle' if you aren't getting what you want. Further satisfaction can be gained by getting others off by doing what they want as well. So healthy discussion is the key for us! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-14 05:21:01 I reckon it was something else. I don't see the problem with a comment like 'I'm not ready to come yet'. There seems to be considerable pressure for that though in a lot of situations. It is a little uncomfortable when you know your swinger partner wants you to come when you are actually saving it for your life partner. Plus it is quite rare for me to come with anyone other than Paula. The only time this is a problem is when I forget to explain that beforehand and people have unrealistic expectations of what will happen when we finally do get down to it. Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

14U   | 122.110.204.xxx | 2008-05-14 07:20:34 Interesting! So you generally only come with your partner? We don't do that. We just go with the flow Never thought about that point actually. There's an interesting issue for an article or poll perhaps! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-14 17:09:10 Sheesh I am THAT good Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Raven62   | 121.217.200.xxx | 2008-05-13 22:47:42 Dear fipty, You are normal. They have the problem. K&R Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-05-13 23:36:13 You poor things! I for one, hate to be told what to do by anyone (spose you all guessed that eh) BUT we have found a great way round that is to chat first, long discussions if thats what it takes... yeah, count it in as part of the great ritualistic flirting programme if you like.. It is a great way of letting people know what you wnat like but also it allows you to let them know if there are any er... body issues they may find (example - a 10" knob) Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Swingfest   | Author | 2008-05-14 00:49:56 + 1 For Ravens reply. Real people, with good balance, would laugh it off and be your buddies. There are plenty of good quality fish in the sea Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-06-07 19:15:21 >>>> she swims she swims! Reply | Quote You need to be logged in to vote

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