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In other news ...
The Unkindest Cut? E-mail
Written by The Girls   
Monday, 21 April 2008


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The topic inevitably comes up when the topic comes up. A couple of our female readers have asked some questions about male circumcision. Here's your chance, both guys and girls, to have your say.

 

 

The background is at uncircumcised cock is more sensitive then a circum ... and I personally would rather wank then wear a condom ... and I do not have the time just now to write in any de ...  

Are You?
Girls Do You Have a Preference?
If you had a choice would you change?
Does the photograph make you flinch?

Plus - Reader questions: 

1. How do cut and uncut men regard each other??
2. Do cut men feel gypped even if they were cut when they were a baby?
3. How about men that voluntarily got snipped later in life - why did they do it and do they feel it suits them better?
4. What do women think about cut vs uncut men? - I personally don't mind either (provided it's all hygienic) though I do perceive that I need more artificial lube on hand where uncut men are involved.  :)
5. Do many cultures require cutting? I think a lot of Aussie men are cut (yes? no?) but not so much men from overseas


The Unkindest Cut?
Are You?
   Uncut
4   20%
   Cut
16   80%
Girls Do You Have a Preference?
   Uncut
1   7.69%
   Don't Care
1   7.69%
   Cut
11   84.62%
If you had a choice would you change?
   Yes
1   5.26%
   No
18   94.74%
Does the photograph make you flinch?
   Why would it?
4   19.05%
   Yes
5   23.81%
   No
12   57.14%

Number of Voters  : 22
First Vote  : Monday, 21 April 2008 20:08
Last Vote  : Thursday, 19 June 2008 04:20





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newswingers - The photograph?   | Editor | 2008-04-21 06:05:02
avatar My own partner is uncut, but I have no personal preference one way or the other. While foreskins can be fun to Play with, I also enjoy the clean cut look/feel for its own sake. The issue only really became important for me when we had a son and I was offered circumsision in the hospital (for my infant son, not me)
At the time we were told that circumcision could prevent later health problems, was safer for his sexual partners (less risk of cervical cancer for women who only sleep with circumcised men apparantly) and generally given the impression that it was healthier and cleaner. I had to weigh this information against the prospect of mutilating my newborn baby's genitals and after some agonising decided to leave him au natural.
To be fair, a big part of the decision was grounded in wanting him to look like his father, and not have to explain why they were different (although this seems so trivial now that he is a healthy intelligent teenager).
- At one point we came very unstuck - my son had an abnormally tight foreskin with adhesions that prevented it from retracting. At three years old I wished we had 'cut' him, but were advised to wait another couple of years. At age 6 circumcision was recommended but I worried about traumatising him at this stage and sought a second opinion.
We found a wonderful doctor who worked with his problem using steroid creams and manual manipulation (by my son of course, not the kinky doctor). Within six months he could retract his own foreskin easily and is now a happy, healthy, (dare I say horny) normal teenaged boy.
If I had the time over again, would I circumcise him as an infant? probably yes!
Am I glad he is uncircumcised? Yes, I'll leave him to make his own decisions.
Laura
cpl_in_black   | Registered | 2008-04-22 04:54:29
avatar Coming from a generation of circumcised boys...Catholic schools... I thank my stars my parents asked for the snip. Its an arguement of helmet head v's the sleeping bag, and sorry the tradies win out. Looks better and Ladies prefer it

Just my opinion
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-22 06:17:38
avatar I don't disagree but to be honest I would probably rather have the damn thing back.

I just can't reconcile chopping something off for no particular reason. It seems a little like tattooing babies at birth because it looks nice.

I'm not saying I wouldn't get rid of it again. I would have just liked to have a choice in the matter.
Swingfest   | Author | 2008-04-22 06:49:41
avatar I'm happy to still have my tea cosy intact. Its quite a novelty, and under certain circumstances its very useful for 'Dick TRICKS' and a little P O P (Puppetry of the Penis)...

On chap who reads this forum a lot (no names - Paul) can fit over $5 worth of 20c pieces into his foreksin, we know this to be true, because Litsa counted it. I gave up the challenge at $4.80

Women like Cock,FULLSTOP whether it be protected by a flap of skin or not. When I crack a fatty, you wouldnt even know I had a Foiky, it folds way back and looks circumcised.

The only thing that is VERY important is that parents educate their uncircumsied children the importance of cleaning the area well TWICE a day, and pulling the skin back. Smegma (a word we don't often read these days) is quite revolting in the Swinging scene.

Cheers
raven62   | Registered | 2008-04-22 07:08:50
avatar Luke said:
"I just can't reconcile chopping something off for no particular reason."

Luke, I do not believe that parents make such an important decision frivolously. Parents will order or deny the chop for reasons that appear valid to them, such as religion or being the same as dad, or perceived cleanliness or medical arguments such as decreased rates of cervical cancer in partners. I suspect a lot of thought goes into the decision for both mother and father.

I had the chop as an adult after developing a phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin because of scar tissue) from living with a candida prone girlfriend for years. It was a very considered decision. I was not happy afterwards for at least 5 years because I lost an enormous amount of sensitivity and had less skin to play with. However I have gradually learned to prefer the look of it (round and smooth knob versus wrinkly bits), less smell, less need to wash (once a day versus more often), less rashes. And with decreased sensitivity I can last longer and believe me in my relationship that's a necessity to maintain that 6:1 orgasm ratio. And if Playing with another couple it is a real advantage to be able to last.

So nowadays I love my uncut look and I don't want the damn appendage back. Let them saute it in organic unsalted butter with garlic, ginger, lemon grass, cumin, coriander and a spot of asafoetida, plate it with saffron basmati rice and some cucumber raita, and serve with pappadums. It's got to be useful for something.
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-22 16:56:47
avatar
Quote:
being the same as dad


It's not for me to say because we took the easy option and Left TT's schlong the way it was. In effect we didn't make a decision.

I have to say though when he was born the chances of me signing a piece of paper that authorised someone to do anything to him was nil.

Being the same has NEVER been an issue around here. We aren't prudish and it wasn't long before TT realised that mummy isn't the same as Dad and as him. It was never really an issue.

I can understand why 'being the same' would be a consideration but it has proved for us not to be a problem.

One big problem is the operation manual. I lost the book years ago I suppose without the need for it. Teaching TT to maintain his equipment has been a struggle.

TO be honest I kind of left it to Mum because she has had more experience with them than me.
raven62   | Registered | 2008-04-22 07:13:29
avatar I thought "Smegma" a brand of kitchen appliances, stoves etc
fipty801   | Registered | 2008-04-22 15:39:14
avatar Was cut at bith myself. Mother is a religous freak!
Hospital(Campbelltow
n)refused to cut my first son.
So didn't get next two boys done either.
No hygeine issues so far.

My brother was born overrseas and the hospital botched his circumcision. Only took half off! Had to get the rest done when he tuned 21 due to the foreskin acting like a rubber band when he got excited!
Poor bugger.

Certainly don't feel like anything is missing, and am not jealous of anyone else. In fact, I've been told my particular penis is a very nice looking specimen, on several occasions. I think this is because the cut was very neat and symmetrical, if that makes sense. And no, it's not that big, just an average six or so inches...
From my discussion with women over the years, most women appear not to care either, although I'm sure some have a preference, just like some men prefer "innies" or "outies."
paul   | 220.245.180.xxx | 2008-04-23 01:15:29
Wayne it is over $5 now Lol think more like $6. I am from a european catholic background and yes am uncut as most men my age from the same background are mainly so I am told that it was one way for the nazis to indentify a jew (they are cut). In my life I have never had a infection other then getting thrush from my partner (boy it feels good to wank when you have that lol) . I was taught at a very young age how to wash and look after my penis properly , as for them smelling worse then cut that is the same as saying one Fanny smells worse then the other, it al lcomes down to personal hygine. When you pee you pull the skin back and when finished you shake so how do you get a worse smell I ask then a cut one. Now the best part is the fun and games you can have with a foreskin , have to agree with Wayne here lol ,Boys being boys we find anything to amuse us and a 4skin is something that can do that. While other boys at my school where seeing who could piss the highest up the wall I would amuse my self by making balloons (think about it ) then letting it go somewhere lol normally on my mates leg (yes I am a sicko_lol) and the above mentioned trick which i must say is all Waynes fault that I even thought of the idea.Now I Come to my last ? which I have asked many a cut man with not a very good answer back. When I wank I have a ready made Cum catcher , just pull the skin over at just the Right moment and pinch together , where as a cut man what does he do ? just let it fly where ever ?? lol .
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-23 01:20:10
avatar Paul,

Curtains, sheets, wife's pillow, wife ...
Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-23 04:17:36
avatar One day (yes a story coming here...) I awoke to find I had the worst case of conjunctivitis I had ever had...

I could not open my eyes at all...

It seems SOMEONE had come all over my face and not fessed up...

least they were not sore!
Ms Pet   | 124.171.136.xxx | 2008-04-24 03:26:10
I'm surprised so many women prefer cut - so far anyway.

I'm one of those annoying no preference people I guess but I don't see why people have a preference for cut over uncut. Bad experiences?

(What does that smiley even mean?!)

I kinda like uncut men because.. ok I find it quite novel because most of the men I've been with have been cut. I remember the first uncut guy I was with, I asked if I could just play with it a bit. Have a look at it. lol
MsBhaven - Don't know   | Editor | 2008-04-24 12:43:40
avatar I have no idea what I prefer. I have never seen the unedited version up close and personal (that I recall). Never been offered the chance to compare.

I've heard rumors that they exist but would probably need instruction on what the Hell to do with it.
I do hear they work a little differently but I can't verify.

Ms B
Who now seems painfully naive.
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-24 18:04:47
avatar That's an interesting question - what's more common in the USA? It seems 90% are cut in Australia, but maybe fewer in USA.
raven62   | Registered | 2008-04-24 18:57:39
avatar Circumcision is subject to fashion and also the whims of the medical profession. So it is more common in baby boomers (?90%)but now according to the Australian College of Physicians runs at 10% to 20%.

Check out the Position Statement of the Australian medical fraternity/sorority half way down the page at: http://racp.edu.au/page/health-policy-and-advocacy/paediatrics-and-child-health
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-25 00:03:14
avatar The take Home message is in the first paragraph:
Quote:
the RACP reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine neonatal circumcision.

Admittedly the Australian College of Physicians aren't the be-all and end-all of these things, but I suppose you have to credit the medical Experts with at least medical Knowledge.

So what it really boils down to is social norms and customs.

The thing is, does anyone see it that clear cut (to coin a phrase).

It boils down to a simple decision do we make junior the same as dad?
Paula   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-24 19:22:50
avatar Luke was more than happy to have our son "done" as soon as possible but as soon as he laid eyes on him it was a different matter!

TT has noticed the difference and talks about it - alot!

Most of his friends have been "done" and when I asked why they had it done the mothers said it was so they could be like their Dad's!

I find this a terrible thing to do - one even said she could not bear her son asking questions on the difference between her son and the dad! WTF! I told her to get a fucking life - she is not my Friend anymore lmao!
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-25 00:04:16
avatar Like I said for me it was a non-decision. I simply stopped thinking about it, and then it wasn't an issue any more.

It wasn't as if I made a conscious decision not to.
Laura   | 58.174.128.xxx | 2008-04-27 06:41:33
For me the "like dad" thing was mostly an excuse not to get it done. I didn't want to 'mutilate' my gorgeous baby boy and while all the professionals were telling me to do it, I think I needed a reason to say no.
At the end of the day - the 'like dad' thing seems pathetic and so unimportant , but it was a convenient excuse to hang my decision on. To some extent I think it may depend on your parenting confidence. Only once I started did I realise how intelligent and flexible my children were going to be. Now it is an absolute joy to discuss different lifestyles and concepts with them, but it took a little while to get there.
L
paul   | 220.245.180.xxx | 2008-04-25 00:30:22
I agree mostly it is done for the reason to be like dad. When my son was born in the early 80s we never had the ? to do circumsise or not as it was a given he wouldnt be, but at that time and later in QLD any way, most hospitals would not perform circumsisims unless on medical ground you needed to go to a Private doctor. We condem female circumsism but why not for men is it not just as brutal, we dont circumsise animals and we where not ment to have a 4skin would it be there. There wil lcome a day when a child will sue his parents for mutalating his body. ( I personally dont class it as mutilation but is just a thought.)
Paul
raven62   | Registered | 2008-04-25 03:15:52
avatar I absolutely condemn the sort of "female circumcision" practiced in the Sudan and parts of Africa where the fun bits are taken away completely and vaginas sewn up. Ghastly stuff. Best called "genital mutilation".

In contrast: I did have an Indonesian girlfriend once who had had her clitoral hood split at puberty to expose the glans and increase pleasure. This is a form of female circumcision. So us Westerners need to be careful when we attack other cultures without understanding the full facts - some female circumcision may not so much be about mutilation as enhancement.

Ghandi, when asked what he thought of Western civilisation, said "I think it would be a good idea".
Luke   | Super Administrator | 2008-04-25 18:58:27
avatar Here's the thing, I would never condemn anyone for a relatively harmless procedure like male circumcision. (Bear in mind according to RACP between 1 and 5 per hundred go wrong).

I wonder whether the practice won't soon die out completely in Australia or whether cultural influences from overseas won't keep a small percentage going.

I wonder what it's like to be in the small minority who are cut. Right now most of us we are in a large majority who are. 'Times they are a changing.'